murase [speaker not understood]. >> vice president fewer. >> yes, i'm seeing here in the materials that under the bid results that abc security, it's listed at 9 79,000 and change and the amount we're rewarding them is 86 4,000. so, that is $150,000 actually, that 86 4 difference from the second highest bidder. so, i think that it does -- it does bring into question sort of that how can you operate -- i mean, the bid difference is 150,000. >> so, let me explain. when we put forth the bid, we set criteria because we never know how much our security annual costs will be. in some ways it depends on how contentious our board meetings are, what are our security needs across the district, right.